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i said no, mr. mandela, you inspire us. so there was this unbelievable relationship between what was happening in america and what would happen in south africa. we would say from time to time the struggle in birmingham, the struggle in selma is inaccept raable from the struggle in sharpville. >> one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you today congressman was reading about and thinking about and trying to understand the importance of those decisions made by mandela and other apartheid leaders after sharpville, when they decided non-violence was not enough, they have been so committed to nonviolence, even in the face of incredible brutality, they needed some sort of military response as well. never ended up being the khai part of their response to apartheid, but they made that hard decision. how international were those discussions about the importance of non-violence and whether or not it was enough to overthrow governments and to change the world? >> here in america and around the world, there was ongoing discussion about
i said no, mr. mandela, you inspire us. so there was this unbelievable relationship between what was happening in america and what would happen in south africa. we would say from time to time the struggle in birmingham, the struggle in selma is inaccept raable from the struggle in sharpville. >> one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you today congressman was reading about and thinking about and trying to understand the importance of those decisions made by mandela and other apartheid...
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but mr. mandela held on this summer. by the time of his 95th birthday on july 18th, with crowds gathered outside his hotel room to sing to him, to celebrate his life, mr. mandela was described by then as responding to treatment and his doctors said he was steadily improving. by august, mr. mandela was breathing normally. and although he was still battling the lung infection that had hospitalized him in the first place, in august, he was -- excuse me, on the first of september, he was discharged from the hospital, so that he can continue to receive intensive care at home, in johannesburg. after he died at his home today in johannesburg, his home there is where south africans have gathered tonight to pay their respects. joining us now is nbc news africa correspondent, rohit, thank you very much for being with us. what can you tell us just about the scene where you are and the reaction there? >> reporter: well, rachel, a quite extraordinary picture behind us. it's 4:00 a.m. in the morning here in south africa and we have a
but mr. mandela held on this summer. by the time of his 95th birthday on july 18th, with crowds gathered outside his hotel room to sing to him, to celebrate his life, mr. mandela was described by then as responding to treatment and his doctors said he was steadily improving. by august, mr. mandela was breathing normally. and although he was still battling the lung infection that had hospitalized him in the first place, in august, he was -- excuse me, on the first of september, he was discharged...
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there is just a huge outpouring for mr. mandela and literally the world wants to be here. millions more will be watching on television around the world, social media will be swamped and perhaps overwhelmed by remembrances of mr. mandela, just a singular event that's going to take place here in south africa honoring the life of nelson mandela. >> it's a good opportunity to remind everybody what he did. i remember watching this weekend all the coverage in terms of teaching them what happened. ron allen, we appreciate it. >>> more people are signing up for obama care, but does that mean the website and the pr push are actually working? coming up, i'll speak with connecticut congressman rosa delauro. >>> also ahead, we've all complained about airport layovers but this one takes the cake. how did a man end up locked inside a dark, empty plane long after it landed? we'll explain. ♪ ♪ nothing says, "you're my #1 copilot," like a milk-bone biscuit. ♪ say it with milk-bone. if every u.s. home replaced one light bulb with a compact fluorescent bulb, the energy saved could ligh
there is just a huge outpouring for mr. mandela and literally the world wants to be here. millions more will be watching on television around the world, social media will be swamped and perhaps overwhelmed by remembrances of mr. mandela, just a singular event that's going to take place here in south africa honoring the life of nelson mandela. >> it's a good opportunity to remind everybody what he did. i remember watching this weekend all the coverage in terms of teaching them what...
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mr. mandela became a living martyr. so he had the power beyond that. mr. gandhi was killed. dr. king was killed. he survived years beyond his imprisonment and became this huge global moral authority. and against the odds of being considered a terrorist. to go from considered a terrorist to moral authority, the most in the world world, i think about how long the world kept mr. mandela on the terrorist list, until july 2008. that's a source of shame to us. leadership led by the people like robinson and roger wilkins and holmes-norton. they laid the groundwork for his freedom. he always suppressed appreciation. >> may i ask you the last time you met with him and when you left if you got a sense that it would be the last time. >> it was difficult for him to hear at that time. he came to have a meeting. we took pictures together. we laughed. and i asked him about the farm where he finally was captured. and he said something interesting. he changed gears. he said, you know, that was the place i was captured. not full of regrets. and i didn't understand that. he said he became the comm
mr. mandela became a living martyr. so he had the power beyond that. mr. gandhi was killed. dr. king was killed. he survived years beyond his imprisonment and became this huge global moral authority. and against the odds of being considered a terrorist. to go from considered a terrorist to moral authority, the most in the world world, i think about how long the world kept mr. mandela on the terrorist list, until july 2008. that's a source of shame to us. leadership led by the people like...
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. >> and you first met mr. mandela right after being released from jail. you were in a room alone with him. tell me about that moment. you're young, 20 and impressionable and looking for your place and 20 years later you would be the ambassador for south africa. what happened in that room? >> really pretty incredible to me and hilarious in retrospect. this was immediately after the ticker tape parade we had and i escorted him into city hall, and next i knew we were alone. i discovered in moments of silence, had a weightiness to him. i was probably staring at him awe struck for ten minutes then a voice said, young man, may i trouble you for a glass of water. he said it with a little slight i am patience and it became clear he probably asked several times but i was so dumb struck by him that my feet were rooted. of course, i hurried and got him water and never ever had such pleasure in providing service to another human being. i just wished i could have done more in his service and for his cause. >> we hear people say that nelson mandela is the moral compass
. >> and you first met mr. mandela right after being released from jail. you were in a room alone with him. tell me about that moment. you're young, 20 and impressionable and looking for your place and 20 years later you would be the ambassador for south africa. what happened in that room? >> really pretty incredible to me and hilarious in retrospect. this was immediately after the ticker tape parade we had and i escorted him into city hall, and next i knew we were alone. i...
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rohit, this was not entirely unexpected news, given mr. mandela's health. how are south africans reacting? >> reporter: mara this was predictable news but painful none theless, announced late at night just before midnight south african time. many millions of south africans are still waking up to learn the news the father of this nation passed away during yesterday evening. first the mood here at nelson mandela's suburban home was fairly somber. now it is incredibly cell la braer to. people are bringing flowers, cheering, singing songs from the anti-apartheid struggle. they're celebrating his life and celebrating the lives they can now lead as a result of his anti-apartheid struggle. many people wondering here precisely what will happen next? what will the state event be. they're waiting for details about a lying in state which is expected in the next few days and about a burial which one american diplomat described as being the biggest state burial in the world since that of winston churhill. >> celebration of a remarkable life, rohit kachroo, thank you for
rohit, this was not entirely unexpected news, given mr. mandela's health. how are south africans reacting? >> reporter: mara this was predictable news but painful none theless, announced late at night just before midnight south african time. many millions of south africans are still waking up to learn the news the father of this nation passed away during yesterday evening. first the mood here at nelson mandela's suburban home was fairly somber. now it is incredibly cell la braer to....
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mr. mandela was an icon, a living -- in jail for 27 years. and 24 more years beyond, a living martyr for 51 years. longer than dr. king lived. the doctor king movement against apartheid here laid the predicate for apartheid. we raised money for that movement in south africa. we got the black caucus led by maxine waters. the u.s. and britain were partners in the south african regime. as a nation, we chose apartheid in the name of being anti communist over the freedom of the people. and somehow the movement here, the civil rights movement in our country deserves much credit for the change we now see in america, and in south africa. >> well, and reverend, to that point, that's why it is so interesting -- i think, and potentially enlightening, to see some of the political debate playing out more among republicans. but take a listen to more from former speaker newt gingrich, in doing what rick hertzburg was doing, embracing as a founding father in politics, one of the best things you could say about someone. take a listen. >> posted my statement o
mr. mandela was an icon, a living -- in jail for 27 years. and 24 more years beyond, a living martyr for 51 years. longer than dr. king lived. the doctor king movement against apartheid here laid the predicate for apartheid. we raised money for that movement in south africa. we got the black caucus led by maxine waters. the u.s. and britain were partners in the south african regime. as a nation, we chose apartheid in the name of being anti communist over the freedom of the people. and somehow...
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. >> the government has taken a firm decision to release mr. mandela unconditionally. >> reporter: mandela emerged from behind bars without bitterness, to resume his campaign. >> africa. >> melson mandela sacrificed his personal freedom for our personal freedoms. >> reporter: his work was recognized with a nobel peace prize. as south africa's first black president, mandela remained a humble man. taking delight in a new york tickertape parade. dancing at a concert in his honor. meeting with world leaders and his civil rights hero. >> so help me god. >> reporter: as promised, he stepped down as president of south africa after serving just one term. >> south africa has been a despotic state through almost the whole of the 20th century. mandela's legacy stands against it. that is one of the best and most optimistic qualities that he hands to the people of south africa. >> reporter: by all accounts, the measure of this man can be taken by what he wants to be remembered for. here lies nelson mandela said, a man whos has done his duty on earth. >> kei
. >> the government has taken a firm decision to release mr. mandela unconditionally. >> reporter: mandela emerged from behind bars without bitterness, to resume his campaign. >> africa. >> melson mandela sacrificed his personal freedom for our personal freedoms. >> reporter: his work was recognized with a nobel peace prize. as south africa's first black president, mandela remained a humble man. taking delight in a new york tickertape parade. dancing at a concert...
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mandela. mr. obama often noted privately and publicly that his sacrifices would never compare to mr. mandela's. aide to mr. obama said he was uncomfortable when people drew parallels between them as often as they did. this is from "the new york time times", not "the washington post." i apologize. how fair are those comparisons? they are inevitable and now we're going to continue to read and hear more about them over the next few days and weeks. how fair are they? >> it depends on which mr. mandela you're talking about. >> and which mr. obama you're talking about. >> one of the things that we talk about is mr. mandela as a tremendous humanitarian leader and so on. and he really was. but he was also a politician. and he also had to hold together a coalition, find the way to steer his country forward as the first black representative in that democratically elected government. in that way, they do have a great deal in common. you do see a very nervous and frightened group of white south africans wonde
mandela. mr. obama often noted privately and publicly that his sacrifices would never compare to mr. mandela's. aide to mr. obama said he was uncomfortable when people drew parallels between them as often as they did. this is from "the new york time times", not "the washington post." i apologize. how fair are those comparisons? they are inevitable and now we're going to continue to read and hear more about them over the next few days and weeks. how fair are they? >> it...
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in immediately said to him, mr. mandela, you have to know that's microphone not a weapon. he said when i first saw it i thought it was a shotgun. we both laughed and a picture was taken. >> we saw that moment earlier in the broadcast. >> i think it's important we understand the context of mandela's release was in a global movement. you have maxine waters, harry bellafonte, people that created this movement of die vestment that set the climate who were ostracized for supporting a terrorist group. they took the risk politically here to fight to create that day that we consider triumphant. i don't think we should whitewash or sugarcoat the development of where handlea ended up being recorded by great in this country. >> that was an exceptional time in the world. when mandela was released in '90, gorbachev bringing down the soviet union and czechoslavkia and poland and china gave some economic freedom. historians will be writing of that year '89 and '90 great men coming on the world stage and changing oppression that had existed for so long. >> representative waters, you were
in immediately said to him, mr. mandela, you have to know that's microphone not a weapon. he said when i first saw it i thought it was a shotgun. we both laughed and a picture was taken. >> we saw that moment earlier in the broadcast. >> i think it's important we understand the context of mandela's release was in a global movement. you have maxine waters, harry bellafonte, people that created this movement of die vestment that set the climate who were ostracized for supporting a...
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we were in a hotel in a gathering with mr. mandela. i'll never forget, he said you cannot be afraid to grow and evolve. you have got to be willing to continue to grow, if you're going to be effective, and he grew. you've got to remember there were a lot of nationalist groups that said he had turned soft, sold out. there were a lot of different tensions there. he was able to withstand the hatred and opposition of the african, a whites and he was focused on democracy. >> he was incredibly tenacious in that he had the question of black nationalism versus the question of integration. eugene, you have a great piece and i'll read an exert of it today. we should remember not only the man who embraced his former enemies but also the man who refused to be bowed by those enemies, who remained militant despite 27 years of imprisonment who walked out of jail with his head held high and eyes toward the future. >> we think of nelson mandela and see that smile that's like sunshine. it just lights up anyplace. i only had the experience of meeting him
we were in a hotel in a gathering with mr. mandela. i'll never forget, he said you cannot be afraid to grow and evolve. you have got to be willing to continue to grow, if you're going to be effective, and he grew. you've got to remember there were a lot of nationalist groups that said he had turned soft, sold out. there were a lot of different tensions there. he was able to withstand the hatred and opposition of the african, a whites and he was focused on democracy. >> he was incredibly...
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i think that we really, as a nation, despite having anticipated that mr. mandela must go some time, that we really remain shocked that it has actually come to pass. i think that it's a shock filled withing anxiety about life aft nelson mandela. and i believe that every south african, wherever they stood in the apartheid years and wherever they've stood for the last 20 years, are absolutely united in their grief for nelson mandela's departure. and every south african are united, i hope, in the understanding that we need to emulate him. we need to live up to the values and the i deals that he had stood for and that we need to find our better selves in order for us to make us a success of south africa. >> is there love -- love for nelson mandela among white south africans as well? >> i think that there is enormous love. i don't think it started out that way. i think that when he was a prisoner, there was this fear of nelson mandela and the fact that after incarcerating him for 27 years, how angry must he be? how bitter will he be? how vengeful will he be? and
i think that we really, as a nation, despite having anticipated that mr. mandela must go some time, that we really remain shocked that it has actually come to pass. i think that it's a shock filled withing anxiety about life aft nelson mandela. and i believe that every south african, wherever they stood in the apartheid years and wherever they've stood for the last 20 years, are absolutely united in their grief for nelson mandela's departure. and every south african are united, i hope, in the...
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and two of his young daughters, mr. mandela's daughters were there and found out their father had passed during the premiere and they wanted you to continue showing the film. >> yeah. you know, it was an awful time. we did an opening, we spoke to the audience. i spoke personally about my dad who just passed and i based my character on -- i based his personality on my dad. and, you know, literally half an hour, 45 minutes into the film the news broke in amongst the cinema. and justin and myself and the producers, we went outside to sort of figure out what to do next, because it was awful. everyone was so in shock. and they said just keep going. let the film keep going. and then, you know, once the film, the credits started rolling, we went back on stage and we announced it. >> i want to play a clip from the film. in this scene, idris, you play a young mandela who goes to a theater and interrupts the movie to encourage people to fight apartheid. let's take a look. >> she is good looking, but you must give me sophia loren
and two of his young daughters, mr. mandela's daughters were there and found out their father had passed during the premiere and they wanted you to continue showing the film. >> yeah. you know, it was an awful time. we did an opening, we spoke to the audience. i spoke personally about my dad who just passed and i based my character on -- i based his personality on my dad. and, you know, literally half an hour, 45 minutes into the film the news broke in amongst the cinema. and justin and...
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yet politics has not been absent in the days since mr. mandela's passing, kate. i think what had happened in some corners of the conservative blogosphere, twittersphere -- i'm not from the 20th century. please don't ask me to use these words. on his facebook page commenters, including this person who couldn't spend his name called him a commune nist involved in torture, terror, murder and they have lost a lot of respect for senator cruz. it's amazing to me the vitriol that exists in parts of american society. people like nelson mandela who should be a hero for everybody the world over and especially here in the united states. >> he was a political person so people are going to have political feelings about him. kudos to senator cruz for what's being said on his facebook and going. he obviously wanted to go. >> which is less about nelson mandela and more about ted cruz. jonathan, in fairness if we're talking about conservatives who are quote, unquote, doing the right thing, newt gingrich called nelson mandela one of the greatest leaders of our lifetime and got a b
yet politics has not been absent in the days since mr. mandela's passing, kate. i think what had happened in some corners of the conservative blogosphere, twittersphere -- i'm not from the 20th century. please don't ask me to use these words. on his facebook page commenters, including this person who couldn't spend his name called him a commune nist involved in torture, terror, murder and they have lost a lot of respect for senator cruz. it's amazing to me the vitriol that exists in parts of...
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he said, mr. mandela, about the communists, and madiba said, well, they were the only ones that helped had us, next question. >> interesting. >> and moved right ahead. >> you afforded him a ticker tape parade down the canyon of heroes, which was reserved for very few. that's like amelia earhart, john glen, jesse owens. that was extraordinary. did he understand the significance of that? did he get it? >> oh, yes. he was a very wise man, and he understood the significance. later when we had a gathering at yankees sta yankees stadium, it must have been 60,000, 70,000 people. i put the yankee jacket around his shoulders and the cap, and he looked out at the crowd and said, now you know who i am. i am a yankee. and that went around the world. george steinbrenner was so impressed he said, i'll pay for it. >> you know that was impressive he was going to put out for that. how about the reception in harlem? what was that like? >> it was amazing. he spoke at 125th and lenox avenue, the site from which peopl
he said, mr. mandela, about the communists, and madiba said, well, they were the only ones that helped had us, next question. >> interesting. >> and moved right ahead. >> you afforded him a ticker tape parade down the canyon of heroes, which was reserved for very few. that's like amelia earhart, john glen, jesse owens. that was extraordinary. did he understand the significance of that? did he get it? >> oh, yes. he was a very wise man, and he understood the significance....
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as you saw, it's fitting the service is being held at fnmb stadium, mr. mandela made his final public appearance at the 2010 world cup. tuesday, december 10th. welcome back to "morning joe." reverend article sharpton, harold ford jr. and for bloomberg, juliana goldman. we'll get to the table in just a moment, but first we want to turn to nbc's tracie potts live in south africa. tracie? >> reporter: mika, good morning from pretoria. after today, the focus is going to shift here. that big building behind me referred to as the union buildings. this is the center of government, of administration for south africa, and it's where nelson mandela will lie in state for the next three days. but today, of course, the focus was on that stadium near soweto. the public memorial where we're told as many as 100,000 people packed this stadium in the rain. a lot of them waited as many as eight hours for the doors to open. the highlight so far has been the speech by president president obama where he talked about nelson mandela as a giant of history, he talked about some of
as you saw, it's fitting the service is being held at fnmb stadium, mr. mandela made his final public appearance at the 2010 world cup. tuesday, december 10th. welcome back to "morning joe." reverend article sharpton, harold ford jr. and for bloomberg, juliana goldman. we'll get to the table in just a moment, but first we want to turn to nbc's tracie potts live in south africa. tracie? >> reporter: mika, good morning from pretoria. after today, the focus is going to shift here....
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mandela back in 1990. i want you to tell people because you were literally star struck. >> i absolutely was. i've been blessed to be around some phenomenal people, some great leaders, but there's no one like nelson mandela. so yes, the first time i was in his company was immediately after we had organized a glorious ticker tape for him parade down broadway in manhattan. we took him into city hall in new york, and had found myself alone with him in the mayor's office. and i didn't realize that i had been just staring at the man for probably ten minutes till i heard a voice say, excuse me, young man. can i trouble you for that glass of water. i realized that he had probably asked me several times for some water after being out in the heat and this long parade. i raced, got him the water and darn near spilled it all over him, i was so incredibly nervous and in awe of him. even though when you were around him, you were in awe, there was something about him that will created an accessibility, too. i never exper
mandela back in 1990. i want you to tell people because you were literally star struck. >> i absolutely was. i've been blessed to be around some phenomenal people, some great leaders, but there's no one like nelson mandela. so yes, the first time i was in his company was immediately after we had organized a glorious ticker tape for him parade down broadway in manhattan. we took him into city hall in new york, and had found myself alone with him in the mayor's office. and i didn't realize...
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our country from the president to the mr. president, every day citizens right now our country is mourning the loss of mandela, remembering the life he lived the way he changed the world. our country in the western world wasn't always this united in viewing mandela as a hero. a part tied, apartness in the africano language, they were voted into office in south africa in then 48. they set about passing a series of impressive laws of racial segregation. they western considered citizens. in 1960 when drarts went to the police station in the black town of sharpville and redanded to be arrested, they were protesting the node to have them in the first place. in response to that small act of rebellion, south african police officers opened fire on the crowd and scene people were killed that day. the young liberation leader named nelson mandela said it was that moment that radicalized him in the fight against apartheid, to beat the anc, it wouldn't be long before he was arrested and convicted of treason and sent away to prison for life
our country from the president to the mr. president, every day citizens right now our country is mourning the loss of mandela, remembering the life he lived the way he changed the world. our country in the western world wasn't always this united in viewing mandela as a hero. a part tied, apartness in the africano language, they were voted into office in south africa in then 48. they set about passing a series of impressive laws of racial segregation. they western considered citizens. in 1960...
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with his plan to name a black ambassador now on hold, mr. reagan was left proposing ref m reforms south africa, a timetable for end ago part hide, release of political prisoners including mandela and discussions with black groups including the african national congress. the president stressed all south africans must work out their future together. >> as one african remarked recently, southern africa is like a zebra. if the white parts are injured, the black parts will die, too. >> and reagan did have some allies in congress. >> by intruding into the affairs of the south african government, we are shooting the farmers of america in the foot. and i will have no part of it. >> in the end, for all of ronald reagan's charisma and persuasive ability, for all his sway over congressional republicans, both houses of congress voted to impose the sanctions. and even after reagan vetoed the measure, both the house and senate went back and voted to override his veto. and it wasn't just the usual suspects fighting reagan. the senate was controlled at the
with his plan to name a black ambassador now on hold, mr. reagan was left proposing ref m reforms south africa, a timetable for end ago part hide, release of political prisoners including mandela and discussions with black groups including the african national congress. the president stressed all south africans must work out their future together. >> as one african remarked recently, southern africa is like a zebra. if the white parts are injured, the black parts will die, too. >>...
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stunned to see you support this scumb scumbag, mr. cruz. he was a communist, a huge supporter of abortion. putting him in the same language of stalin, fdr, who are also dead and don't deserve a eulogy either. what does that tell us about the generations reflecting on this? >> shocking comments. these are ted cruz's ostensible supporters. how incredibly disturbing must it be for americans to read that, to say this is -- this vein of political thought, however large or small it is, exists in our country. >> i hope it's disturbing to us. >> i hope so. >> i'm mostly disturbed that maybe it isn't disturbing to us. >> obviously americans who agree with it, they're out there. i can't imagine it's a very large population, but it saez lot about people have asked for a long time what's the racial perspective of tea party members. unfortunately this is the perspective of some of them. >> remember, where you started the conversation about dr. king, i was radicalized partly, and that's ral caddized in a student protest contest, but radicalized or politi
stunned to see you support this scumb scumbag, mr. cruz. he was a communist, a huge supporter of abortion. putting him in the same language of stalin, fdr, who are also dead and don't deserve a eulogy either. what does that tell us about the generations reflecting on this? >> shocking comments. these are ted cruz's ostensible supporters. how incredibly disturbing must it be for americans to read that, to say this is -- this vein of political thought, however large or small it is, exists...